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提子算是欧洲最大,最重的战列舰了吧......


来自Android客户端41楼2016-12-23 09:51
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    REPORT ON EVENTS WHICH OCCURRED IN 14in TURRETS
    23rd TO 25th MAY
    Friday, 23rd May
    A - Events prior to First Action
    The order to load the cages was given late in the afternoon. In the course of loading the following defects developed:-
    "A" Turret
    No. 2 gun loading cage: Front flashdoors could not be opened fully from the transverser compartment and the cage could not be loaded. Examination showed that the front casing had been badly burred by being struck by the lugs carrying the guide rollers on the gun loading rammer head when the latter was making a "withdrawing" stroke.
    This was cleared by filing and the other gun loading cages were examined for the same defect. Slight burring was found in some cases and was dressed away.
    No. 1 gun: On ramming shell the second time after the order "Load", the shell arrestor at the shell ring level jammed out and could not be freed before the first action.
    While steaming at high speed, large quantities of sea water entered "A" turret round the gun ports and through the joints of the gunhouse roof. It became necessary to rig canvas screens in the transverser space and bale the compartment.
    "B" Turret
    No. 2 central ammunition hoist: Arrestor at shell ring level would not withdraw after ramming shell. It is impossible to strip this in place in the Mark II mounting, and the arrestor was removed complete. The axis pin of the pinion driving the inner tube of the arrestor had seized. There does not appear to be any effective means of lubricating this pin. The pin was drilled out and removed and the arrestor re-assembled. It was not, however, possible to replace the arrestor before action stations was ordered, because at this stage a defect developed in the hinge trays of the forward shell room as described below. This latter defect was taken in hand immediately in order to free the revolving shell ring and was completed a few minutes after action stations. It was not then considered advisable to proceed with replacing the arrestor.
    Hinge trays at forward shell room fouled the locking bolt on the revolving shell ring: both trays being bent.
    Saturday, 24th May
    During the early hours hydraulic pressure failed on the revolving shell ring ship control in "B" turret. This was due to the pressure supply to the turret from the starboard side of the ring main being isolated. The revolving shell ring ship control is fed from the starboard side only, and the non-return valves on the pressure main adjacent to the centre pivot prevent pressure being fed to the starboard side and the revolving shell ring ship control from the port side in the event of the former being isolated from the ring main. Similar conditions exist on the port side of "A" and the starboard side of "Y". It is considered essential that a cross connection be fitted in the shell handling room with two non-return valves so that the revolving shell ring ship control can be supplied from either side of the ring main.
    B - Events during the First Action
    The following defects developed in "A" turret:-
    "A" Turret
    On several occasions the shell ring rammers fouled the brackets on the hinge trays for No. 11 interlock. Shell could not be rammed until the bearing of the turret was changed. This also occurred in "Y" but did not prevent ramming.
    No. 1 gun only fired one salvo, due to the events described in A (i).
    After the second salvo, No. 24A interlock failed on No. 2 shell ring rammer. It was tripped after a short delay and thereafter assisted by hand.
    About halfway through the firing, the tappets operating the shell ring arrestor release gear on No. 4 rammer failed to release the arrestor. Subsequent examination has shown that the shaft carrying the levers operating these tappets had twisted. The rammer was kept in action by giving the tappets a heavy blow at each stroke.
    Shortly after this, a further defect occurred on No. 4 shell room rammer. When fully withdrawn the rammer failed to clear No. 7 interlock and the ring could not be locked. This was overcome by operating the gear with a pinch-bar at every stroke.
    Throughout the engagement the conditions in "A" shell handling room were very bad; water was pouring down from the upper part of the mounting. Only one drain is fitted and became choked; with the result that water accumulated and washed from side to side as the ship rolled. The streams above and floods below drenched the machinery and caused discomfort to the personnel. More drains should be fitted in the shell handling room and consideration given to a system of water catchment combined with improved drainage in the upper parts of the revolving structure. Every effort is being made to improve the pressure systems and further attempts will be made as soon as opportunity occurs to improve the mantlet weathering, but a certain amount of leaking is inevitable.
    "B" Turret
    No mechanical defects.
    "Y" Turret
    The following defects occurred in "Y" turret:-
    Salvo 11 - No. 3 central ammunition hoist was raised with shell but no cordite; No. 25 interlock having failed to prevent this. The interlock was functioning correctly before the engagement. There has been no opportunity to investigate this. It is also reported that the reason no cordite had been rammed was that the indicator in the cordite handling room did not show that the cage had been raised after the previous ramming stroke. This caused the gun to miss salvoes 15 to 20.
    Salvo 12 - Front flashdoors of No. 2 gun loading cage failed to open and cage could not be loaded. Flashdoors on transfer tubes were working correctly and investigation showed that adjustment was required on the vertical rod operating the palm levers which open the gun loading cage doors. To make this adjustment, three-quarter inch thread had to be cut on the rod. This defect was put in hand after the engagement had been broken off and was completed by 1300. It would appear that the operating gear had been strained, possibly by the foreign matter in the flashdoor casing making the doors tight. The doors were free when tried in the course of making the repair. This caused the gun to miss salvo 14 onwards.
    Salvo 20 - Owing to the motion of the ship, a shell slid out of the port shell room and fouled the revolving shell ring while the latter was locked to the trunk and the turret was training. The hinge tray was severely buckled, putting the revolving shell ring out of action. The tray was removed, but on testing the ring it was found that No. 3 and 4 hinge trays of the starboard shell room had also been buckled and were fouling the ring. The cause of this is not yet known. The trays were removed and as the action had stopped by this time, No. 4 tray was dressed up and replaced. The ring was out of action until 0825.
    威尔士亲王3个主炮塔本次交战的作战记录


    IP属地:上海本楼含有高级字体42楼2016-12-23 09:56
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      2025-08-21 02:20:43
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      我个人认为吧,俾斯麦的设计在同时期确实比较low,但是相比其他欧洲新锐战列舰来说,俾斯麦舰上设施的完善程度和质量,以及这艘战列舰在实战中的表现还是比较令人欣慰的。


      来自Android客户端46楼2016-12-23 12:21
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        围观dalao辩论


        IP属地:云南来自Android客户端47楼2016-12-23 12:56
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          吹必死卖就算了,居然敢鄙视北卡。卡爷是“瞎BB”党能鄙视的吗??哪怕是巴尔的摩,只要点正保持27公里也能跟必死卖对练。


          IP属地:河北来自Android客户端49楼2016-12-23 19:24
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            萌新看泥们争的瑟瑟发抖,不过关于为啥二战时米醋会偏好砸甲板,就用一图说明吧


            IP属地:贵州来自Android客户端53楼2016-12-25 13:41
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              可以看出,15k yds外,命中甲板的概率开始高于命中舷侧的概率(标靶素一个疑似标准战列舰尺寸的东西),因此那些追求20k yds甚至30k yds击穿垂直防护的火炮效能并不高


              IP属地:贵州来自Android客户端54楼2016-12-25 13:43
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                由上图看,16in/50素理想的火炮,16in/45次之,追求极端垂直穿透力的16in/56反而效能不高呢……


                IP属地:贵州来自Android客户端55楼2016-12-25 13:45
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                  2025-08-21 02:14:43
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                  另外,垂直防护不够可以用航向角想办法补一补,但水平防护不够……呃,总不能单向注水来使水平装甲倾斜吧?


                  IP属地:贵州来自Android客户端56楼2016-12-25 13:47
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                    小工你不是提吞拿鱼嘛,他这句你信不信啊??


                    IP属地:河北58楼2016-12-25 19:09
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                      Name of the ship Bismarck Tirpitz
                      Ship (SI-SIV), including armour and ship's gear, consumables, crew, effects, provisions and fresh water 11,691 tonnes 11,691 tonnes
                      Armour less turrets 17,450 tonnes 17,450 tonnes
                      Main machinery plant with equipment (MI) 2,800 tonnes 2,800 tonnes
                      Fuel, lubricating oil, boiler feedwater 7,216 tonnes
                      Auxiliary machinery with equipment (MII) 1,428 tonnes 1,428 tonnes
                      (A) Armament and equipment (plus ammunition) (Plus artillery armour) 5,973 tonnes(7,577 tonnes)
                      (T) Torpedo system 0 0
                      (F) Aircraft installation 83 tonnes 80 tonnes
                      (Spr) Defensive weapons 8 tonnes 8 tonnes
                      (I) General equipment 369,4 tonnes 361 tonnes
                      (N) Nautical equipment 8,6 tonnes 9 tonnes
                      (T) Masts and rigging 30 tonnes 30 tonnes
                      Empty ship with equipment 39,931.2 tonnes 39,931 tonnes
                      Ammunition 1,510.4 tonnes 1,510 tonnes
                      Torpedoes 0 0
                      Defensive equipment 2,5 tonnes 3 tonnes
                      Aircraft ammunition 0 0
                      Consumables 155.4 tonnes 156 tonnes
                      Crew and effects 243.6 tonnes 247 tonnes
                      Provisions 194.2 tonnes 194 tonnes
                      Type displacement (without drinking and washing water) 42,343.5 tonnes 42,077 tonnes
                      Drinking water 139.2 tonnes 139 tonnes
                      Washing water 167 tonnes 167 tonnes
                      Boiler feedwater 187.5 tonnes(battle cells) 188 tonnes
                      Fuel oil 3,226 tonnes 3,226 tonnes
                      Diesel fuel oil 96.5 tonnes 94 tonnes
                      Lubricating oil 80 tonnes 80 tonnes
                      Aviation spirit and coolant 17 tonnes(one filling) 17 tonnes
                      Construction displacement 45,950.5 tonnes 45,951 tonnes
                      Supplementaries:
                      Boiler feedwater 187.5 tonnes 188 tonnes
                      Fuel oil 3,226 tonnes 3,226 tonnes
                      Diesel fuel oil 96.5 tonnes 97 tonnes
                      Lubricating oil 80 tonnes 80 tonnes
                      Aviation spirit and coolant 17 tonnes 17 tonnes
                      Reserve fresh water 389.2 tonnes 389 tonnes
                      Full displacement 49,946.7 tonnes 49,948 tonnes
                      (Bismarck special supplement fuel 1,009 tonnes; actual full displacement 50,955.7 tonnes)


                      IP属地:天津59楼2016-12-25 19:39
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                        IP属地:江苏来自Android客户端60楼2016-12-25 20:23
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                          我喜欢大船抗小炮。1:稳定性好2:抗沉性好3:适航性好4:多花不了多少钱,贵的是武器、动力、电子系统。非要向本子的破船一样憋屈吗。


                          IP属地:山东来自Android客户端61楼2016-12-29 02:29
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                            连极品德黑吞拿鱼也只敢说俾斯麦的舷侧垂直加穹甲在13km处被406L50捅穿——这个属实的话,衣阿华对痞子妈还真没戏


                            62楼2016-12-30 20:20
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