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1楼 大概看了一下这篇文章~有时间的同学来翻译下~ 感谢nikk~ 这文章看的我心碎了~! 这个是一个歌迷抓了个机会和M的工作人员进行了私下对话，这个工作人员和M工作了20多年，也在电影里出现了，他讲了很多内幕，但是不允许讲出他的姓名，因为他们和AEG/SONY有合同只许说TII的好话。我没时间翻译这么长的文章，但是我看了内容可信而且有许多内幕，大家帮忙翻译一下，转到论坛上 "Yeasterday I had the amazing chance to speak to someone who worked on This Is It. This person has worked with Michael in the past, I've seen him before on TV close to Michael, and I also saw him in... the movie and his name appears at the end. He gave me the ok to share with you what he told me, however with the condition that I would name provide his name. He is under contract with AEG/Sony and is only allowed to officially talk good about the movie and the concert. As he told me "hey, I also gotta pay my bills, so I have to do what they say." However, at the same time he told me to "share with fans what I said, because it is important that some things are known." He has great respect and admiration for Michael and has known him for over 20 years. Here's the most important things he told me: - Michael has always been a very sweet, humble person, since the first time they met 20 years ago, however he noticed that during these rehearsals, he looked even more humble than usual, to the point that he actually felt Michael was incredibly insecure this time around, he saw him very vulnerable and everyone automatically tried to make him feel ok, everyone wanted to bring the spark in him that old Michael Jackson had. According to this person a combination of the 2005 trial and the long absence from the spotlight made Michael feel very insecure. |
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2楼 -Michael did not get along at all with Randy Phillips. Everyone knew it, even Phillips knew it. Phillips had a very arrogant way of dealing with Michael, he was terrified that Michael would not get ready for the shows and AEG would lose a lot of money. According to this person, Phillips made it clear to several people that these concerts had to happen, no matter what, because he "had to personally convince everyone at AEG that this was a good deal" therefore his job was at risk if anything went wrong. On many occasions Phillips would go to Michael's house with Ortega and Travis Payne whenever Michael would not show up. At times they would come back with him, at times no. The official explanations to the crew was "Michael is not feeling well today," "Michael rehearsed at home" or "Michael is rehearsing with his vocal coach." At first the crew believed it, but after a few weeks everyone started realizing something was up because even though Ortega and Payne would say everything was fine, it was obvious that they were very frustrated and nervous, and there were several heated discussions between Ortega, Phillips and Payne, but what exactly was being discussed was not clear since they always made sure they would be far enough for anyone to hear. During these conversations one of them would always be on a cellphone, and then the would pass it aroud to themselves. This person believes they were talking to Michael. Michael, and this is shown in the movie, did not want to wear the ear monitors. As this person told me, "look at any footage from Michael in concerts in the past, and you will never find him wearing ear monitors, he did not like them, did not need them." According to him, Ortega got upset at one time at Michael, and in front of everyone told him "you have to undrstand that here you do not have an option, you have to wear them, this is going to be a closed arena, not an open stadium, and the sound is different." He said his tone was very nasty and everyone was shocked, especially since Michael looked very upset, but mostly hurt, by it. |
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3楼 This is very interesting. According to this person, there was absolutely no way the concert was going to be ready for opening night on July 13th, and everyone kenw it. He asked me the following "when you saw the movie, you do realize right that they had to show the best scenes, the best performances, right ?" I said "yes, of course" to which he replied "so do you realize that what you have seen, most of it came from June 24th, 23rd and 22nd ? Based on what you saw, did it feel as if everything was going to be ready in 2 weeks ?" He said that Michael did not have his clothes ready, and that there was "pathetic" feeling around from different stylists that were trying to come up with ideas. But nothing was ready, no clothes, not even for the dancers. Michael wanted Michael Bush, but Travis Payne brought in that Zaldy guy, and AEG was behind Zaldy, rather than Michael Bush. The opening number for the concert was only done on the computer, just like we saw in the movie. It was never rehearsed, and the robot that Michael would have come out from was not ever ready. Also the closing of the show was just a concept. He also confirmed that they never had a full rehearsal. In other words, they never practiced the whole concert, it would always be a few songs on several days, but it was never put all together, therefore they were laso very concerned that once everything was gonna put together, it would take much longer that the 2 hours originally planned. This was going to be a huge problem for AEG and the O2 arena, because of an agreement they had with time. Also, Michael did not want to have long shows, for obvious reasons. |
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4楼 For the most part, Michael looked well, however this person did unfortunately confirm to me that there were days that something was "wrong" and everybody knew it. He worked with Michael in the past and Michael never wore sunglasses while rehearsing the dark like that, especially since Michael in the past would always want to see how the lights looked and for that reason did not like using shades. But he said "don't expect them to talk about it on tv of course, same with me, I won't and I can't." He said that at first everybody thought Michael was just eccentric and stuff, especially the dancers, they were just excited to see him, but he said for those who knew him for many years, including him, started realizing alarming signs. However, he said, this just shows how vulnerable Michael was and he does not like how people associate this behavior with something negative. He said "he went through so much poor thing, I perfectly understand why this was happening." Oh and btw, he said that some of the crew members started checking TMZ with their IPHONES to find out whether or not Michael had seen Dr. Klein during the day. It would usually warn them on what to expect when he showed up. Michael had fun when performing, it appeared as if it was what he needed, however off stage Michael did no look happy, he rarely interacted with the crew, other than Karen Faye and at times with Michael Bush. According to this person, Michael stayed as far as he could from Ortega, Payne and Phillips off stage, because he always felt he was being chased by them to do more, perform more and give more. He said that the crew in general felt Ortega was being too demanding, especially when it was obvious nothing was ready on time. But they mostly felt Ortega was being pressured by Phillips, and that it was Phillips who was just going crazy because was in a position of losing everything with these shows. |
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5楼 The day after the news came out that some fans claimed Michael told them he did not want to do 50 concerts, everyone was instructed not to talk to anybody from the media, not to let in anyone who was not authorized to attend rehearsals, especially fans. When Michael came in that day, the atmosphere was tense and he did not look happy at all. Before working that day, Phillips and Ortega met with Michael and, interestingly, with his bodyguards. They spoke for about 20 minutes, but once again this person could not hear what was being said. However everyone had the feeling Michael indeed did not want to do 50 shows and believed Michael did talk to those fans. This is pretty much it. This guy said that it is a shame that Michael died while being extremely stressed out. He said that a lot of pressure was put on Michael, but the truth is that the concerts were not going to be ready not because of him, but because the there was simply not enough time to acocmplish all they had planned. He said he is sure Michael would have been 100% ready by July 13th, because "he did those songs hundreds of times before during his career, he knew exaclty what to do" but everything else around was not ready. He also says he personally felt Michael sometimes did not show up because he knew things were moving slowly and sort of felt disappointed. He was a perfectionist, and when things were obviosuly not going in the right direction, he would get frustrated and sort of lose interest, instead of becoming upset at someone. Yet they made him believe it was him, that things were moving slowly because of him. But this person told me that Michael had nothing to do with all the technical stuff, like lightings, fireworks etc, therefore it was not his fault, but he was the easy target |
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8楼 At first the crew believed it, but after a few weeks everyone started realizing something was up because even though Ortega and Payne would say everything was fine, it was obvious that they were very frustrated and nervous, and there were several heated discussions between Ortega, Phillips and Payne, but what exactly was being discussed was not clear since they always made sure they would be far enough for anyone to hear. During these conversations one of them would always be on a cellphone, and then the would pass it aroud to themselves. This person believes they were talking to Michael.起初，船员相信，但几周后每个人都开始意识到了什么事，因为即使奥尔特加和佩恩说，一切都很好，很明显，他们非常沮丧和紧张，奥尔特加之间有几个热烈的讨论，菲利普斯和佩恩，但究竟是什么正在讨论尚不清楚，因为他们总是相信我们一定会远远不够的人听到。在这些谈话中，他们总是在手机上，然后也通过他们自己aroud 。这个人认为他们在谈论迈克尔。 Michael, and this is shown in the movie, did not want to wear the ear monitors. As this person told me, "look at any footage from Michael in concerts in the past, and you will never find him wearing ear monitors, he did not like them, did not need them." According to him, Ortega got upset at one time at Michael, and in front of everyone told him "you have to undrstand that here you do not have an option, you have to wear them, this is going to be a closed arena, not an open stadium, and the sound is different." He said his tone was very nasty and everyone was shocked, especially since Michael looked very upset, but mostly hurt, by it.迈克尔，这是在电影所示，不想穿耳朵显示器。由于这个人告诉我：“看看迈克尔任何画面的音乐会，在过去，你永远不会找到他穿着耳朵显示器，他不喜欢他们，不需要他们。“据他说，奥尔特加获得烦躁之一迈克尔时间，在大家面前告诉他：”你必须undrstand在这里你没有选择，你必须穿，这将是一个封闭的舞台，而不是一个开放的体育场，这声音是不同的。“他说，他的语气很讨厌，大家都感到震惊，特别是因为迈克尔显得很不高兴，但主要是伤害它。 |
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9楼 This is very interesting. According to this person, there was absolutely no way the concert was going to be ready for opening night on July 13th, and everyone kenw it. He asked me the following "when you saw the movie, you do realize right that they had to show the best scenes, the best performances, right ?" I said "yes, of course" to which he replied "so do you realize that what you have seen, most of it came from June 24th, 23rd and 22nd ? Based on what you saw, did it feel as if everything was going to be ready in 2 weeks ?" He said that Michael did not have his clothes ready, and that there was "pathetic" feeling around from different stylists that were trying to come up with ideas. But nothing was ready, no clothes, not even for the dancers. Michael wanted Michael Bush, but Travis Payne brought in that Zaldy guy, and AEG was behind Zaldy, rather than Michael Bush.这是非常有趣的。根据这个人，绝对没有这样的演唱会将会开放7月13日晚上准备好了，大家kenw它。他问我下面的“当你看过这部电影，你不知道正确的他们必须表现最好的场景，最好的演出，对吗？“我说”是“当然他回答说：”这样你们是否知道，你所看到的，其中大部分来自于6月24日，23日和22日， ？根据你看到的，当时的感觉好像一切都将是在2个星期准备好了吗？“他说，迈克尔没有准备好他的衣服，而且有”可怜“的感觉来自各地的不同的设计师在尝试想出的想法。但却没有准备，没有服装，舞者甚至没有。欧文希望迈克尔布什，但在特拉维斯佩恩带来的Zaldy家伙，和AEG背后Zaldy，是布什而不是迈克尔。 The opening number for the concert was only done on the computer, just like we saw in the movie. It was never rehearsed, and the robot that Michael would have come out from was not ever ready. Also the closing of the show was just a concept.对于音乐会的序幕，可能只有在计算机上进行，就像我们在电影中看到的。从来没有排练，而迈克尔会出来的机器人都没有准备好。此外，目前节目结束只是一个的概念。 He also confirmed that they never had a full rehearsal. In other words, they never practiced the whole concert, it would always be a few songs on several days, but it was never put all together, therefore they were laso very concerned that once everything was gonna put together, it would take much longer that the 2 hours originally planned. This was going to be a huge problem for AEG and the O2 arena, because of an agreement they had with time. Also, Michael did not want to have long shows, for obvious reasons.他还证实，他们从未有过充分的预演。换句话说，他们从来没有实行整场音乐会，它总是在几天几首歌，但它从来没有向一起，拉索，因此他们非常担心，一旦一切是gonna放在一起，将需要更长的时间是2小时原定计划。这将是一个巨大的问题的AEG公司和O2领域的协议，因为随着时间的推移，他们已经。此外，迈克尔不想长期显示，由于显而易见的原因。 |
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10楼 For the most part, Michael looked well, however this person did unfortunately confirm to me that there were days that something was "wrong" and everybody knew it. He worked with Michael in the past and Michael never wore sunglasses while rehearsing the dark like that, especially since Michael in the past would always want to see how the lights looked and for that reason did not like using shades. But he said "don't expect them to talk about it on tv of course, same with me, I won't and I can't." He said that at first everybody thought Michael was just eccentric and stuff, especially the dancers, they were just excited to see him, but he said for those who knew him for many years, including him, started realizing alarming signs.在大多数情况下，迈克尔看上去很好，但不幸的是这个人没有向我证实，有天的东西是“错误”，每个人都知道这一点。他与迈克尔曾在过去和迈克尔戴太阳镜，而从来没有排练就这样，黑暗，特别是因为迈克尔在过去，总是希望看到的灯光看和不喜欢使用色彩的原因。但他说：“不要期望他们会谈论它，当然在电视，与我一样，我赢了't和我不能。“他说，当初大家都以为迈克尔只是古怪的东西，尤其是舞者，他们只是非常高兴地看到他，但他对那些谁知道，多年来他，包括他说，令人震惊的迹象开始实现。 However, he said, this just shows how vulnerable Michael was and he does not like how people associate this behavior with something negative. He said "he went through so much poor thing, I perfectly understand why this was happening." Oh and btw, he said that some of the crew members started checking TMZ with their IPHONES to find out whether or not Michael had seen Dr. Klein during the day. It would usually warn them on what to expect when he showed up.但是，他说，这正说明迈克尔是多么的脆弱，他不喜欢人们联想到的东西不良行为。他说：“他经历了这么多可怜的人，我完全理解为什么会发生的一切。”噢和btw，他说，船员的一些人开始检查与他们的iPhones TMZ找出迈克尔是否看到了白天Klein博士。它通常会警告什么期望时，他显示出了他们。 Michael had fun when performing, it appeared as if it was what he needed, however off stage Michael did no look happy, he rarely interacted with the crew, other than Karen Faye and at times with Michael Bush. According to this person, Michael stayed as far as he could from Ortega, Payne and Phillips off stage, because he always felt he was being chased by them to do more, perform more and give more. He said that the crew in general felt Ortega was being too demanding, especially when it was obvious nothing was ready on time. But they mostly felt Ortega was being pressured by Phillips, and that it was Phillips who was just going crazy because was in a position of losing everything with these shows.迈克尔趣味表演，看来就好像是他所需要的，但起飞阶段迈克尔没有看高兴，他很少与船员互动，比其他凯伦王菲与布什有时迈克尔。根据这个人，迈克尔留据他可以从奥尔特加，佩恩和菲利普斯起飞的阶段，因为他总觉得自己被他们追赶做更多，执行，并给予更多。他说，一般船员奥尔特加被认为过于苛刻，尤其是当很明显没有准备时间。但他们大多认为，奥尔特加正由菲利普斯的压力，而且是菲利普斯谁正要疯狂的，因为在失去这些表明一切的位置。 |
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12楼 This is pretty much it. This guy said that it is a shame that Michael died while being extremely stressed out. He said that a lot of pressure was put on Michael, but the truth is that the concerts were not going to be ready not because of him, but because the there was simply not enough time to acocmplish all they had planned. He said he is sure Michael would have been 100% ready by July 13th, because "he did those songs hundreds of times before during his career, he knew exaclty what to do" but everything else around was not ready.这是相当多了。这个人说，这是一个耻辱，迈克尔致死的非常强调指出。他说，很多压力被提上迈克尔，但事实是，音乐会不会因为准备不他，而是因为根本就没有足够的时间来acocmplish所有他们的计划。他说，他相信迈克尔会被7月13日100％准备好，因为“他的时代的数百首歌曲，在其职业生涯前，他知道exaclty做什么“，但一切围绕还没有准备好。 He also says he personally felt Michael sometimes did not show up because he knew things were moving slowly and sort of felt disappointed. He was a perfectionist, and when things were obviosuly not going in the right direction, he would get frustrated and sort of lose interest, instead of becoming upset at someone. Yet they made him believe it was him, that things were moving slowly because of him. But this person told me that Michael had nothing to do with all the technical stuff, like lightings, fireworks etc, therefore it was not his fault, but he was the easy target他还表示，他亲身感受到迈克尔有时不显示，因为他知道事情进展缓慢和有点感觉失望。他是个完美主义者，当事情obviosuly没有在正确的方向前进，他会受阻，而失去排序利益，而不是在别人变得不安。但他们使他相信这是他的，事情进展缓慢，因为他。但是这个人对我说，迈克尔没有什么与所有技术的东西不一样，灯光，烟花等，因此，这不是他的过错，但他是容易的目标 |
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17楼 但现在出来的线索太多，我们不能听风就是雨 我想知道楼主这篇文的出处以及文中提到的那位线人的可靠程度 如果他认为是很重要的事情 为什么既要保密又要在歌迷中发表？ 这样不是很容易被猜到身份吗？ 以他叙述的语气来看 很明显是迈身边做日常事务整理的 说AEG从来没有试图呈现完整的演唱会而只是让mj自己去准备 榨干他的灵感 然后拍成这部TTI? 也就是TTI就是它们的终极目的？ 我想他们想要的还多得多 MJJCN里的线索已经多得让人焦头烂额了 我们是该从这些纷纷冒出的所谓知情人中好好筛选一下了 |
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20楼 当迈没有出现在排练现场,Phillips就会与Ortega,Travis Payne 一起出现他的家里.当他们回来的时候,一般的解释则会是Michael今天感觉不好或者是Michael在家里排练,或是Michael 与他的教练一起排练 |
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24楼 首先，就像前面一个帖子说到的那样 有时候迈没出现在排练现场，那三个人就会去他家 有时候他们能带迈回来，有时候不能，然后说出那几个理由 但大家能感觉到他们都很沮丧（就是回到排练现场后） 导演被phillips强迫着，而Phillips本身也是孤注一掷， 因为他用尽了浑身解数说服AEG这是笔值得的买卖 有任何差错他都会倾家荡产 所以他把所有的压力都加在迈身上 迈一直都是个谦虚和善的人 但是他在TTI里面表现出来的谦虚却更为突出 为什么？因为他被强迫命令着…… 举例来说，迈以前在任何演唱会上都没带过耳麦（根据原话，我不太记得，印象中有带过？） 但在这里你看到他带了，他曾拜托K（化妆师）去和Ortega说不想带 但却得到了他必须带的回答 |
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25楼 Michael不想把扬声器监控装在他的耳朵里,他以前从来没有这样做过.但据那个人说,Ortega 听了之后非常生气,他当着所有人的面告诉Michael你得知道你没有选择,你必须的戴它们.这是一个舞台,不是一个工作室,声音听起来会很不一样.他还说他的音色听起来很难听,所有人都被吓坏了(我会杀了那个SB) |
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28楼 He gave me the ok to share with you what he told me, however with the condition that I would name provide his name. He is under contract with AEG/Sony and is only allowed to officially talk good about the movie and the concert. As he told me "hey, I also gotta pay my bills, so I have to do what they say."他给了我确定，与大家分享他对我说什么，但是，条件，我将名称中提供他的名字。他正在同AEG公司的合同/索尼，只允许正式谈论电影和音乐会良好。由于他告诉我：“嘿，我还gotta付账单，所以我必须做什么，他们说的。” However, at the same time he told me to "share with fans what I said, because it is important that some things are known."但是，同时他告诉我“与歌迷分享我所说的，因为重要的是，有些事情是众所周知的。” He has great respect and admiration for Michael and has known him for over 20 years.他非常尊重和钦佩和迈克尔相识已有20年的他。 Here's the most important things he told me:这里最重要的事情，他告诉我： - Michael has always been a very sweet, humble person, since the first time they met 20 years ago, however he noticed that during these rehearsals, he looked even more humble than usual, to the point that he actually felt Michael was incredibly insecure this time around, he saw him very vulnerable and everyone automatically tried to make him feel ok, everyone wanted to bring the spark in him that old Michael Jackson had. According to this person a combination of the 2005 trial and the long absence from the spotlight made Michael feel very insecure. -舒马赫一直都是一个非常可爱，谦虚的人，因为他们第一次遇到20年前，但他注意到，在这些排练，他看上去比平常更加谦卑，以至于他其实感到不安全的迈克尔这是令人难以置信一次，他看见他非常脆弱，每个人都自动地试图使他觉得不错，大家都希望把他身上的火花，旧迈克尔杰克逊。据这位人士对2005年审判组合和在聚光灯下作出长期迈克尔感到非常不安。 |
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